Hi. First mix using MixMeister and very interested in hearing anyones feedback - good or bad.

It's dominated by vocal house with just a splash of dub and funk.

More info on the mix can be found over at my site www.mychi.us

Thanks in advance.

Cheers
alias

This mix submission is defective has been removed from the rotation. All tracks were faded out and there were gaps of silence of between 10-30 seconds between tracks. There were also completely garbled segments at some points. I would imagine that this could be a problem with the submit tool. If your mix is complete and without gaps when you listen to it in Fusion, please attempt a resubmission. Please change the mix name slightly upon re-submit.

Thanks!

oh dear. Ok will try and submit again.

Cheers

Yes, we do have problems with the submit tools from time to time. The procedure (MMPro 6 only) for finding the temp file to preview your submission immediately after upload is in the J2I alert section at the top of this forum here:

Attn: Jack2It Pro 6 users utilizing DJ submit tool

The temp file should be in a similar or identical location when using the Fusion tool. If another member or forum mod/host can specifically locate the temp dump location for the .wma file created by Fusion during the upload process, and reply here with that information, that would be great.

Both TRR and I still use Pro6 for our work, so feedback with this information would be most helpful. Also, although MM has indicated that there will be no further updates for the Pro6 tool, they have indicated to me that they would implement a fix for the Fusion tool if we can catalog/pinpoint the nature of the issues--e.g. when it happens and try to correlate that information so that they can pinpoint the bugs in the code. So, if y'all can keep your eyes out for when you have these types of issues with the Fusion submit tool, we can hopefully get a fix for it soon. If you have specific things that you are doing in your mixing that you believe are being hosed by the tool (e.g. certain mixign techniques--repeated complex loops, large track overlays, etc., within your mixes that you believe tend to cause the tool to fail, please report them to me and I'll make sure that Aaron and the staff get hold of the information.

Thanks!

I can confirm for you that v.7 (e.g., Fusion) level MM leaves the .wma created for the upload in the same spot as v.6 did:
C:\Documents and Settings\HP_Administrator\Local Settings\Temp

(If you didn't have that default "HP_Administrator" folder, you'll have something like it ... Default User or whatever.....)

If you're having trouble finding your left-over .wma file, use the FIND function (Window Key +F will search your hard drive(s)) and refine your search to look for .wma files larger than 25mb or 50mb created on whatever day you did your upload ... et voila!

You also need to ensure that you can view hidden or sytem files and folders.


To do this, double click on My Computer
then select Tools>Folder Options>View{Tab} then you need to click the radio button for Hidden files and folders>show hidden files and folders

Then you can navigate to the location Mme speaks of (on my computer it is C:\Documents and Settings\USER NAME\Local Settings\Temp)

Also, when you installed the submit tool, did you install in to your Fusion directory?

If not, it really needs to be there.

Finally, it's best to ensure that you are not running any other programs (particularly CPU intensive ones) when the Mix is extracting/uploading.

HTH!

R.

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I notice from Alias profile that you have MixMeister 5 - is this Pro or Express?

Do you have the correct Submit tool? If you've been sent the Fusion one, it won't work for 5 and vice versa.

Let us know, and then one of us can send you a link to the relevant submit tool, should this be needed!

R.

Thanks Wildr. That could be the issue. The set was hosed in a manner that I've not heard before.

Alias, check your PMs. I just sent you the correct links for BOTH versions of the tool. Please use the tool appropriate for your respective version of MM if you were referred to the wrong one first time round.

Thanks!

Apologies for the delay in reverting. I've updated my profile, I am using 7.08 Studio, sorry about that.

Yes it looks like I was using the wrong DJSubmit tool. However I downloaded an ran the new one but when I try to load the mmp file I get an error.

When you installed the submit tool did you change the end of the path name from Fusion to Studio?

I.E. From;

C:\Program Files\MixMeister Fusion\

to

C:\Program Files\MixMeister Studio\

If so and a uninstall/reinstall doesn't work, then you really need to contact Tech Support for guidance.

R.

quote:

Originally posted by Wildr:
When you installed the submit tool did you change the end of the path name from Fusion to Studio?

Thanks Wildr, that seemed to do the trick. Uploading now.

Cheers
alias

Glad to help alias!

R.

Wildr,

Thanks for helping out with this problem while I'm busy getting my Fusion skills up to date here. Hopefully I'll be using Fusion in combo with Pro6 fully within a month or so, then I should be able to help with these issues more.

Alias,

I was able to catch the last half of your mix from the 35 minute point on. Generally speaking, I found that the overall track selection and style choices were good. The style of the set overall was well unified and cohesive.

However, there are a couple of things I believe you should watch out for as you work things out as time goes on:

--Key stability and harmonic progression

Stability:

Nearly every track within the portion of the set that I heard was in a different key. Try to stay in the same key for more than one track selection at a time. This provides stability to your set and also will more readily assure you of a I]smooth harmonic transition to the track of the same key.[/I] (See next)

Harmonic progression (transition):

When you do ultimately move to a new key, you need to make sure that the harmonic relationships between the two compliment each other very strongly. The harmony should either be closely related or dissonant in such a way as to pull the ear positively in the direction of the upcoming key.

Closely related harmonic modulation:

A closely related modulation in traditional harmony is one which requires the fewest amount of steps to arrive at. I won't go into detail here (will save that for the standard harmonic tutorial for DJs that I'm working on for the forums here) However, suffice it to say that for now you should generally stick to one proscribed choice as you move into a new key, up or down to the key of the perfect 5th (P5) relationship. This will most often be the choice that will work most of the time in terms of a solid, traditional harmonic modulation. So in terms of the MM key indicators:

c to g
c# to g#
d to a
d# to a#
e to b
f to c
f# to c#
g to d
g# to d#
a to e
a# to f
b to f#

(forward or reverse, see next)

An upward or forward movement of this interval will generally have the sound of a progressive motion that furthers the ear into the "exploration" of your set. A downward or reverse movement of this interval will generally have the sound of resolution and is ideal when moving into the final key of your set.

Obviously there are many other traditional harmonic progressions that can be made within your set, however, they are more difficult to achieve in an aesthetic and pleasing manner. Be aware that Mixmeister does not always identify the keys of the selections within your sets correctly. Harmonic relationships within songs can be very complex, and there is no software in use today that can effectively analyze the key of a musical selection 100% of the time. While working with this formula and while considering the limitations of the MM key analysis algorithm, be aware that your ear must also be developed as a tool to determine what works and what does not. If it doesn't sound quite right to you, it probably isn't.

Dissonant harmonic modulation:

This particular technique is in departure from traditional harmony as it does not follow the rules of traditional modulatory techniques. It is essentially a violation of those techniques, but it is very popular in modern and pop music and can be used especially effectively in DJ sets. Generally speacking, this technique involves an upward modulation of either a semitone (half-step) or a whole tone (whole step). So:

(the first of each of these is the semitone movement, the second is the whole tone movement)
c to c# or c to d
c# to d or c# to d#
d# to e or d# to f
e to f or e to f#
f to f# or f to g
f# to g or f# to g#
g to g# or g to a
g# to a or g# to a#
a to a# or a to b
b to c or b to c#

Generally, the semitone movement upward (forward) will be the most effective. Less often, the whole tone movement upward (forward) will be effective. Least frequently a semitone or whole tone movement in a downward (reverse) direction will be effective.

Specifically, of all the modulations within the portion of your set that I heard, the following two were the most discordant:

--the transition into "Everybody"
--the transition into "Hazin' & Fazin'"

These harmonic relationships were discordant in a negative way. There were other transitions that were also somewhat discordant, but were still acceptable to the ear.

Sound (db) levels of your tracks:

Watch your VU meters in MM and listen carefully to your tracks to make sure that you do not have excessive distortion. When working with digital music, it is possible to exceed the the VU meter's 0 point decibel level, especially with compression turned on (preferably you should be using compression that you customize for every track). Different tracks will behave differently in this regard, depending on the electronic instrumentation as well as the original mastering process used in the studio where the track was mastered. Again, your ear is the best tool to use to determine whether your tracks are distorting or not. Distortion was particularly noticeable in:

"Holding On"

However, I still found this to be a solid first time submission to the stream here, and we're glad to have you. Looking forward to hearing more from you in the future. Now, go get busy "spinning."



Thanks!

Wow fantastic feedback tepmix. I really appreciate you taking the time to listen to the mix and write this.

It's true I relied on MM's Keycode more then my ear, just experimenting really.

It's certainly given me something to think about but I still feel MM is the best piece of DJ software I've tried.

Again, many thanks - off to give it another try

Ok, so I caught the first half of this set this evening. I would echo my previous remarks here. There were several harmonic transitions that were quite off, a couple that were good, a few that were OK.

Basically my advice to you is to stay in the same key from track to track more consistently. Modulate sparingly. When you do make a key shift, make sure that your choice of modulation works.

A couple of your modulations here and there are quite good (specifically I noticed a particularly sweet modulation to "I'd Say Yes), so I'm thinking that you can hear these things. Your track selections are also quite good, so with a little work, you'll be knocking your sets out quite nicely.

Thanks!