Hi,

i was wondering if there's a plugin so when i load it the volume during mixing won't get louder, providing a smooth mix without having to adjust the lows or highs manually.

Hi dieselakias, and welcome to the forums

What exactly are you trying to achieve?
Do the tracks you are trying to mix have different volume levels (i.e. one track is "quiet" compared with another)?
Or are you trying to avoid clipping (i.e. levels going higher than 0dB)?
Or are trying to make the quieter sections of a track louder?
Or a mixture of the above?
Or are you trying to mix 2 tracks without touching the volume markers of either one?

More questions than answers for you, but best to understand clearly what you are trying to do.

Neb.

Hello Dieselakias

MM has a nice Level Meter that you can watch and you can adjust your volume per track. You really dont want to use a plugin becuase once you start "normalizing" tracks, you are cutting off the peaks and it could actualy sound worse. The best thing to use is your ear and the meater.

That is just My Opinion.

i want to avoid clipping. i use platinum notes before mixing, so my tracks have the same volume level.

also, i have another question: i tried keyinmixed to make hermony mixing, but i have different results for some tracks compare to key that mixmeister shows. what's the deal? which is the correct key?

quote:

Originally posted by dieselakias:
i want to avoid clipping. i use platinum notes before mixing, so my tracks have the same volume level.

As D-MIXX says, use the track volume markers or the master volume to keep your level meters below 0db. Don't have your levels bouncing up into the red, then use something like a limiter to get it under control again.

Using a car as an analogy, it's like hitting the accelerator to the floor and relying on the rev limiter to stop you blowing the engine. Much better is to ease off the accelerator before the rev limiter kicks in.

As D-MIXX points out ... if you start over-relying on something like a limiter to cut the peaks you could make it sound worse.

Neb.

Personally I found the Classic Master Limiter by Kjaerhus Audio to do the trick for me. I do not want to sit there and have to adjust every volume when this limiter will equalize everything out. Nothing is perfect however I do find this to be one of the smoothest I have tried out.

Its all about preference and choice so I thought I would throw another one out there for you Dieselakias so you have a choice of your own.

I BELIEVE THIS IS THE LINK TO THE PLUG-IN:
http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/classic-master-limiter.php

Good luck in your choice.

Banter

i don't thing you understand...

let's say i have two tracks, track A and track B.

i want to mix these two tracks so that the mixed part (end of track A and beginning of track B) will not sound like i'm turning the volume up. i want it to sound at the same volume level, like its a continuous track.

i'm not looking for a plugin that's gonna limit the volume. i'm looking for a plugin that will automatically calculate the volume level of the incoming track, so that i have the result of the "two sounds like one" track.

what do you say?

quote:

Originally posted by dieselakias:
i'm not looking for a plugin that's gonna limit the volume. i'm looking for a plugin that will automatically calculate the volume level of the incoming track, so that i have the result of the "two sounds like one" track.

what do you say?

I've never heard of a plugin that will do what you describe.

I have to ask ..... what is your background? Are you new to mixing, or are you a veteran DJ with loads of experience? Just want to understand where you are coming from.

Neb.

Dieselakias,

What I have suggested will work however you do have to set the default volume level for every song on your own to read ( +0.00db). Meaning you have to give them an equal chance however the Limiter will make those adjustments so they sound as equivalent as possible (+ or -) on the mix as long as they are all set at 0.00db.

Banter

Neb, i' m new.

Banter, i' ll try this, but i don't know if it'll work for me.

A really good plug in shouldn't cut the volume of a mix, just to keep it to a normal level.

A really good plug in should recognize where is the right point of the outgoing track (point--> the parts of the track where the volume drops) to fill in the volume of the incoming track, giving an unnoticeable volume result.

Forgive me for my English but i don't know how else to explain it. It seems like the plug in i'm looking for is too good to be true.

Sorry Dieselakias,

Maybe I am misunderstanding you but having a limiter is a good thing. However I can only suggest what I feel is the best result(s) I hear, we all hear differently with different sounds.

Here is another trick to try along with using the Limiter add-on.

MP3.GAIN
http://mp3gain.sourceforge.net/download.php

Read this post to better understand MP3Gain:
http://community.beatmixing.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8956...091083932#8091083932

Also read this info on the Limiter to understand:
Below I have copied what I think was an email from a previous member of BeatMixing.com
I have been using it every since and I love it. (However this is only my opinion)

Email:
The Ozone one is difficult to get to grips with unless you spend lot's of time with it unfortunately.

Instead download the Kjaehus Classic Master Limiter ( http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/classic-master-limiter.php ), install it into your Mixmeister folder within program files and then restart MixMeister.

Open the Effects library and you should automatically see it in there, click and drag it into the timeline at a point where there are no tunes.

Don’t bother to adjust the controls on the limiter, leave it at its default.

When you play your mix back you'll now notice (look at the VU meters) that it limits the sound to -0.2.

It also boosts any quieter tunes, as well as adding a fully rounded sound to the Mix.

I now use this on all my mixes, and if I listen to CD's produced before I had it, they sound totally flat in comparison! Please let me know if this works for you.

Banter

Just picking up on the "previous member of BeatMixing.com" comments on the Kjaerhus Classic Master Limiter:

quote:

....It also boosts any quieter tunes, as well as adding a fully rounded sound to the Mix.

IMHO I don't see how a limiter can "add a fully rounded sound to the Mix".
In very basic terms, my understanding is that a limiter will simply cut the peaks above a certain level to avoid clipping & distortion. The gain control feature added by the Kjaerhus Classic Master Limiter makes it a bit more like a compressor in that it will boost lower signal levels. But add a "fully rounded sound"? Can't see how that works.
Back to the gain control to boost lower level signals - do you really want to do that? The result would be reduce dynamic range, but if that's what you're after then maybe ok.
Just my

Neb.

YEUP!

It is what I would want to do.
As I said above, we all hear things differently, so it is a matter of choice. It is the choice I choose and thought I would give a suggestion. If one does not like the results they do not have to use it.

I know my suggestions are only one of many. That is why I suggest one tries a situation to see if they like it.

Banter

quote:

Originally posted by Nebulus:
Just picking up on the "previous member of BeatMixing.com" comments on the Kjaerhus Classic Master Limiter:

quote:

....It also boosts any quieter tunes, as well as adding a fully rounded sound to the Mix.

IMHO I don't see how a limiter can "add a fully rounded sound to the Mix".
In very basic terms, my understanding is that a limiter will simply cut the peaks above a certain level to avoid clipping & distortion. The gain control feature added by the Kjaerhus Classic Master Limiter makes it a bit more like a compressor in that it will boost lower signal levels. But add a "fully rounded sound"? Can't see how that works.
Back to the gain control to boost lower level signals - do you really want to do that? The result would be reduce dynamic range, but if that's what you're after then maybe ok.
Just my

Neb.

What you're describing is a "brickwall limiter", but that's not what's being suggested. The Kjaerhus Master Limiter is effectively like a compressor with a very high compression ratio near the threshold. It'll heavily compress signals that are close to (or above) the threshold, but leave the rest of the signal alone. So in practice it just evens out the peak transients without negatively affecting the rest of the sound, and the overall effect is that the whole signal can be played louder without fear of clipping during spiky transients.

This type of limiter doesn't actually guarantee that the output signal won't exceed the limit, but it does reign them in pretty well and if used carefully can make a mix sound subjectively louder and more polished.

A brickwall limiter literally chops off any signals that exceed the limit, 100% guaranteeing that it won't be exceeded. It doesn't sound very good, but then they're generally used as a last-resort safeguard to protect other equipment (e.g. FM transmitters in radio stations) from overly hot signals that might otherwise cause damage or digital clipping.