this is related to the other thread about cpu overload.

when i dj live i drag the Kjaerhus master limiter plugin into the empty playlist then add songs afterwards and shift around etc. but is this how the Kjaerhus master limiter is designed to be used? as i detail in the other thread, i am having major problems with fusion screwing up (hanging when i drag new songs to the playlist or move tracks around, brief pauses in the middle of songs).

is this related to this plug in or do people use it in the way i describe with no problems?

ian, please read the Help file -- I believe you'll find that the effects are supposed to be dragged onto the timeline, not into the playlist. I don't have the program open in front of me or I would point you to the Help files section you should be reviewing.

You can drag an effect onto a specific track in the timeline, or you can drag an effect onto the blank background of the timeline to apply the effect equally to all tracks.

oops sorry my mistake, i didn't explain this properly - yeah ive been dragging that plugin onto the timeline (where the waveforms of songs are), onto a bit without any waveform so that it applies itself to the entire set.

it sounds like ive been using it correctly. am i right in assuming that adding songs after applying the plugin to the entire set, is fine and is what most people do?

Hi, ian. Like you, I put the Master Limiter in the timeline, not onto every song. I haven't noticed any lag or hanging because of this. However, because it is an effect, it will tax your system a bit more than an unaltered track.

On my old laptop, I would notice hanging and sputtering when I mixed tracks that weren't in their original key (I had changed the keys of both songs) and had an additional effect added. That's a total of 4 "effects" (2 key changes, track effect and timeline effect) happening at once, so it made sense that my older system had trouble processing all that. On my new desktop, I haven't yet observed any problems while using multiple effects at once.

Does the hanging stop when you remove the Master Limiter?

I too have been wondering about the way I use the Limiter. I think I have a pretty good ear, and I haven't noticed a big difference in sound when it's applied to the entire timeline vs individual tracks. Style of music might be a factor, but I'm not sure. I play mostly vocal/pop house.

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I too have been wondering about the way I use the Limiter. I think I have a pretty good ear, and I haven't noticed a big difference in sound when it's applied to the entire timeline vs individual tracks.

This is an aspect that has occasionally confused me ... I think (but don't have the Help file here to refer to in order to check this) that when applying an effect to a song, unless you also place at least one effect marker on the track and then move it up to e.g., 70% or more, you don't hear the difference the effect should make. I don't know if there is any equivalent to this process when you're talking about an effect applied to the timeline background -- e.g., to the mix as a whole ....

So it's a multi-step process the way I do it:
A -- select the effect, drag it onto the track
B -- place the effect marker and pull it to the desired value (this is different from using the Enable/Disable toggle in the MM Effects panel -- that's like using e.g. Bypass in the Ozone control panel.)
C -- open the effect controls and adjust if necessary.

I am by no means an expert on this, but like you, I originally could not hear the difference the effect was making ... until I placed the green effects marker on the track in the timeline and then gave it some value above 50%. I usually just use the one marker (e.g., effect applied equally throughout the length of the track) although obviously you could place several markers at various values along the way.

I trust that if I have misunderstood this, someone will jump in and clarify things....
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Home now and looking at Studio 7 help w/r/t the use of effects, I do think it is ambiguous. Here's what it says specifically about the Markers:

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To use Effects Automation Markers

Effects Automation Markers let you see how an effect parameter is being applied to your track. Just like volume markers, you can drag, add, and delete Effects Automation Markers.

MixMeister Studio displays Effects Automation Markers for only one parameter of at time. For example, if you've loaded NewBlue Phaser and are manipulating the intensity, you'll only see markers for Intensity. Even if you're using the manufacturer's control panel, you can track the changes for a specific parameter.

MixMeister Studio records all of the changes you make to your mix, so even if you don't see markers for everything you've done, you'll hear the changes when you play the mix back.

Drag the effect on to the track you want to play with and then click Play.

From the Effects drop-down list, select the effect you want to track.

From the Effect Parameters drop-down list, select the parameter you want to track.

Adjust the parameter you're tracking.
Effects Automation Markers are added to the track in the Timeline.

You can also add Effects Automation Markers manually.

From the Effects drop-down list, select the effect you want to work with.

From the Effect Parameters drop-down list, select the parameter you want to use.

Right-click in the track, and then choose Add Effects Automation Marker.

The Help file does not say here -- or anywhere else in this discussion of using effects -- that you HAVE TO ADD an effects marker and then manipulate it like a volume marker to actually hear the "effect of the effect" on your track.

What it does say ("Effects Automation Markers are added to the track in the Timeline.") is not what I've observed when I've added effects ... I can see the changes happen in the controls in the bottom panel, but no visible markers on the track unless I place them manually.

Neither does the Help file state what the default intensity of an applied effect is. My observation is that, once I've dragged an effect onto a track, if I then place the green effects marker, it defaults to the base of the track, which would be the "mute" position if this was a volume marker. To me, that means that unless I change the value by dragging the marker up, I won't hear the effect.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting this ... or maybe I'm correct but really just stating the obvious. Maybe there's another page in the Help file that actually deals with this and I've just missed it, but as far as this page goes ("Applying effects to a track or part of a track", which is where I would expect to find the step-by-step on usage) I think it's ambiguous....

So ... dunce cap for me? (It wouldn't be the first time )

Oh, and ian, sorry for hijacking your thread

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A timely reminder from Tepmix in THIS THREAD -- watch the Tutorials!

One thing that got cleared up for me was that the green effects markers are immediately visible on the timeline if you are placing an effect on a portion of a track. OTOH, if you place the effect on the entire track, the green markers won't be visible unless you start manipulating the effect parameterss (either by twiddling the program's knobs shown in the bottom panel, or by opening the native controls for the effect.) So, by inference, it appears that effects applied to an entire track, at the default settings for the effect, just won't display any of the green markers; I'm guessing the thinking here is: why clutter up the screen with markers if you are just accepting the default settings....

As for a gradual increase / decrease in the application of the effect, there is this instruction from Ardent:

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R2K, Make sure that you're adjusting the right parameter. The parameters (the things you can adjust) on each effect are different depending on how the designer created that particular plugin.

The issue you're experiencing is that some parameters are simple "on and off" parameters, meaning the value you can assign to that knob simply jumps from 0 to 100. For example, the parameter for "Enable/Bypass" (switching the effect on an off) works exactly this way.

Generally if you're trying to get a smooth buildup for an effect, you want the Enable paramter to be at 100 (meaning on) for the entire time, and gradually adjust one or more of the other parameters.

To do that, add the effect first, and then make sure it shows up in the first drop-down list box on the left side of the effects rack. Then choose the individual parameter you want to display in the drop-down list box below that. Now when you adjust that parameter, you should see gradual lines on the Timeline.

For a very simple example, try adding the NewBlue DJ Bass Boost plugin. Then adjust the "strength" parameter using the instructions above to see how this works.

((( ardent )))

which appeared as part of THIS THREAD.

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