Opened to continue the excellent discussion started In the Pro 6 Forum

Although the subject matters are (obviously) linked, let's keep the discussions for Fusion (and Studio 7 for simplicity) here.

Just want to reiterate that it's been a very healthy exchange of views so far, without any 'you're wrong, and I'm right' type posting! - Long may this continue

You are so right!!!!
Just listen to a very slow an soft Song on Mixmeister. Just drag it into the Playlist with nothing else there. No Pitching just nothing.
Then listen to it.

The Soundquality is extremliy bad. It hard to explain, just listen to it.

U can try any option the the "Audio Output Settings" nothing will change.

WHAT IS ALL THAT ABOUT?

Compared to the same song in Winamp, Mixmeister Sounds very bad.

PLEASE HELP

Remove all the measure markers in the Song Slicer -- it sounds like Fusion has not sliced the song properly.

Man you are so....!
THANKS A LOT.

But i don't want to delete all the markers everytime...How can i turn the Song Slicer off?

THANKS AGAIN!!!

Agreed, you would not want to have to delete them all the time ... but Fusion doesn't have a problem slicing ALL songs, just some. So, if you aren't hearing sound quality issues, that shouldn't be something you need to do.

BTW, as you may know, you can delete all of the measure markers in a track at one time by clicking the little "x" icon on the Slicer control panel, bottom left ... and that you can restore all the default measure markers by clicking another one of those icons ...

I don't think you can actually turn the Slicer off, you can just disengage from it by deleting the measure markers. But maybe someone else has additional knowledge on this aspect of the program that would be useful ... if so, please feel free to post...

Sometimes i only play Rock-Song for a long time (I love the simple crossfade).
So every Song sounds bad! I can hear it!
Not all the time but in many parts....

Is it possible to turn off the Slicer?

THANKS

There's not currently a way to turn off the Slicer movozo.

Only advice I have for you at present, is if you are listening to the same tunes repeatedly, you remove every measure marker (as previously described) and then save this as the default tweak.

To do this, once you've clicked the 'x' to remove the measure markers, you click on the bottom L/h Icon (like a file symbol with a bold equals sign on it) to save the 'unsliced tune' as a tweak, and then name it (unsliced for example) and then click on the set as (D)efault button. Then when you load that tune in to a playlist in future, it's always loaded unsliced. If you decide you want to Mix the tune open the tweaks and choose Preset - Beatmix or one of the other options.

NOT a solution by any means, but I thought a 'slight' workround might help you.

R.

Ok guys, thanks a lot!
Even the workaround is not that good.
But still...u all helped a lot.

THANKS

Everyone seems to be rather forgiving about this in my view. This is serious desgin fault. The product should be recalled until resolved. No one would buy Fusion if they knew it reduces sound quality. I'm so glad I spotted this in the demo before I parted with a lot of money. I don't really us automatic mixing so if the songslicer could simply be switched off it would be fine.

THAT IS SO TRUE, BUDDY!
You are so right!

CHANGE THAT?!

I must admit I'm quite keen to get this issue fixed, although for me the idea of simply turning off the song slicer would defeat the purpose of using Fusion in the first place.

I just want it to work as it should without degrading audio quality. The workaround of deleting the measure markers helps, but only on tracks that you don't want to beatmix so it's not a long-term solution.

I promise we will have something to address this problem in the next couple of weeks. Please stay tuned.

Just a bit of code to turn off the Songslicer would be good. Users should be aware that the sound quality is reduced on all music. It's just more noticable on some tracks than others.

I disagree. Although an OPTION to do so might be useful to some people (those who don't beatmix), turning off the songslicer nullifies many of the important features of Fusion. I'd much rather see the sound quality issue fixed with all features intact.

I second the motion Bradleys!

Banter
Theory Is Everything!

I've got a feeling that might take them a while so a short term solution would be appreciated for those who don't use beatmixing. It;s remarkable that such a signficant problem made it through quality control and pretty scandalous that Fusion continues to be marketed. If I were in the manufacturers shoes, I would be concerned that this issue would kill off all future sales once the problem becomes common knowledge. I wonder how many have asked for refunds so far?

We are into our third week since your last post on this matter Aaron and I was wondering if we can get a verbal update on the progress of this problem.
I find myself deleting all of the “MeasureMakers” in 75% of songs I am programming into MixMeister and then creating just an “Intro and Outro” for each so they can be mixable.
I am doing so because the quality is just so bad… but then again that is why we are all writing here.
I have to agree with David Martin (in a polite way)…… that this is taking a long time for such a “Must Needed” fix.

Thank You and I look forward to your reply.

Banter
Theory Is Everything

this is worrying. ive not noticed any noticable difference in the quality of songs from winamp to fusion but is this a real issue across the board with all songs? could someone do a audio clip or vid to demonstrate? ive been djing happily with it with no ill effects and i suppose thats all that matters but im still a bit concerned

siob
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I've put together a 'compare and contrast' clip that illustrates the problem Siob. If you, or anyone else would like it, email me at david.martin@cwgsy.net

It might help to know that Songslicer appears to listen for rhythmic pulses in the music to calculate beat mixing. If the song makes that difficult to perceive because the time signature isn't obvious, then the Songslicer has an effect on the audio itself creating a 'warbling' effect. In some cases this sounds similar to a very heavily compressed low quality Mp3.

I've used a Beethoven Piano Sonata to illustrate. Although we are not likey to be playing that in a club, it exaggerates the problem well because it completely confounds the Songslicer because it can’t find a beat. While the ‘warbling’ isn’t that noticeable with most dance tracks because the pulsing is synced to the beat, the sound quality is still affected, just masked. So it not a compromise you want to make.

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Just upload the Snippets to:
http://uploaded.to/

Then post the Link here!

Would be a lot better and easier for you as well.